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                    <text>Go For Broke National Education Center Oral History Project
Oral History Interview with Charles Nishimura, October 20, 1999, Las Vegas, Nevada
INTERVIEWER:
Okay we are interviewing Charles Nishimura. We are at the California Hotel, October 20, Las Vegas
interviewing is David Yashigi, on camera Sunny Perez, audio is Scott Tarimura and cataloging is Bobbie
Okeinaka. Sorry about that Blobbie. Okay, Mr. Nishimura could you please state your name.
NISHIMURA:
My name is Charles Nishimura
INTERVIEWER:
And can you tell us when you were born and where you were born.
NISHIMURA:
I was born you want my date and all those? Well I was born December 2, 1913. Place (Hawaiian city),
Hawaii. It's a small plantation town.
INTERVIEWER:
Could you tell us about where you grew up?
NISHIMURA:
Oh I grew up in the plantation camp or plantation community where we had sugar plantations over there.
And I went to the grade school. We had grade school over there.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay could you tell us a little bit about your family, your parents?
NISHIMURA:
Well my father came from Japan. First generation. He came from Japan. He came from a place,
Hiroshima, Japan. And my Mom is a Hawaiian born, Island born so you can say that I'm half second
generation and I say half third generation because my mother is Hawaiian born. So maybe you can say
I'm part second, part third. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
Okay, can you tell us about [02:00] your brothers and sisters?
NISHIMURA:
Well I have younger brothers, sisters. They all passed away when they were infants. And then I had a
younger sister below me, still living. And I have another brother below me you was serving in the Korean
War and he passed away about four years ago.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you get along with your brothers and sisters? Did you play with them?
NISHIMURA:
Well, only truthfully to say we had a very good communication and we had no troubles about family get
to gathers and things like that.
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�INTERVIEWER:
What kind of things did you do with your brothers and sisters?
NISHIMURA:
Just, just what do you mean?
INTERVIEWER:
Well did you play baseball with your brother like that.
NISHIMURA:
Well I never played with my brothers what’s why it is sad because they were too young compared to my
age.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay. So growing up in school, did you have any kind of sports or activities that
you...
NISHIMURA:
You mean at school? Well, I use to play baseball and I use to participate in track meet but I wasn't too
good in track meet so I made the team but I wasn't a star over there. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
How about baseball? What position did you play?
NISHIMURA:
I use to pitch. And then before pitch and out in the field.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay. Did ah outside of school, what kind of things did you do?
NISHIMURA:
Just what do you mean outside of school? Do you mean community affairs and things like that? [04:00]
Well, I use to go to Church. We had a Church organization. I use to participate in the Boy Scouts. I was
as a Boy Scout Master for about 20 years. And I advice them for the junior what can I say about Church
member, junior Church members. I was the advisor for them. Are you preparing to say that after I came
back from the service or just before the service?
INTERVIEWER:
Hmm mostly---right now we can talk about mostly your before service
NISHIMURA:
Before service. I was a as I mentioned earlier I was a Scout Master for a small community for about 20
years.
INTERVIEWER:
You mention Church. What kind of a church was it?

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�NISHIMURA:
A Buddhist Church.
INTERVIEWER:
So ahm what church---what kind of activities did you have at Church?
NISHIMURA:
Well we use to have clubs and we use to travel to different communities for conventions to church affairs.
Things like that.
INTERVIEWER:
You guys have dances?
NISHIMURA:
Dances? Well I can truthful say that we had ballroom dance. I think you understand ballroom dance.
And in community we have ballroom dancing club. We use, we use to participate in different plantations
for recreational purpose. Meeting [06:00] on weekends, Saturdays in different communities.
INTERVIEWER:
So did you like dancing?
NISHIMURA:
Well I can say I like my obon dancing. We had classy ballroom dancers so I was interested in ballroom
dancing so we participated in that.
INTERVIEWER:
You ah you have any girlfriends that you use to go dancing with all the time?
NISHIMURA:
Well I wouldn't say I had a girlfriend but I had a partner that I could dance with her
would say that we were close friends. Not particular girlfriend, just close friends.

occasionally so I

INTERVIEWER:
Okay, how ahmm You said that you were Buddhist. Did your parents taught--teach you Buddhism or just
was it just Church?
NISHIMURA:
Well my parents wasn't too active in church organization although they use to go to church, Buddhist. I
guess since he came from Japan, I guess he brought that with him. And he use to go to the church at place
call (Hawaiian city). And then we as a younger generation we formed a club over there a church club to
help other people in Church affairs. So this is how we had a club.
INTERVIEWER:
Do you have a fond, a real fond memory of childhood that you really enjoyed when you were a child?
NISHIMURA:
What you mean ah?

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�INTERVIEWER:
Something that you remember you use to do a lot like ballroom dancing.
NISHIMURA:
I, I didn't get you.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay. Ahm well, did you do anything else other than baseball and ballroom dancing?
NISHIMURA:
Well as I mentioned [08:00] earlier I was a Scout Master for almost 20 years. And I use to part---I use to
participate in the Union program too. We had a union I use to participate in the union program.
INTERVIEWER:
You were a scout master. Where you in the boy scouts before you were a scout master?
NISHIMURA:
What's that?
INTERVIEWER:
Were you a member of the Boy Scouts before ah
NISHIMURA:
Yeah I was. I was a member of the Boy Scout. We had a troop over there. We had a Scout Master and
he use lead us as a Scout Mater. As the years went by I participated in the Scouts and then this is how I
took over the being a Scout Master.
INTERVIEWER:
How far, how far in the Boy Scouts did you go?
NISHIMURA:
Do you mean, what do you mean by how far?
INTERVIEWER:
Did you become an Eagle Scout or?
NISHIMURA:
No, I didn't reach Eagle Scout. I was just, I just reach Star, I think but somehow I, I sort of gave up for
awhile so this is how I didn't keep on going. But later on I found that I should help the younger boys to
help them about scouting so I took interest on that and I thought I can try and help the younger people.
And I was sort of appointed to be a Scout Master and so I continued for another 20 years. So this is how I
earned my badge. It was called a Buffalo Badge. You know they have a badge after so many years, they
honor you with a certain kind of badge they call it. This time they call it Buffalo you know. Therefore
they have a higher rank. You serve many more years. But I happen to be only 20 years so they gave me
the Buffalo Badge. [10:00]
INTERVIEWER:
Okay. That's great. What---how did you feel being Japanese when you were growing up?
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�NISHIMURA:
Well I didn't think nothing. I was born Japanese so I had to accept it. That's all I feel you know if you be
one race you have no choice just be one of them.
INTERVIEWER:
When you were growing up did you think of yourself as being Japanese or as an American?
NISHIMURA:
Well in race I was Japanese. I cannot get away from that but I was an American citizen because I was
born in the United States so I would say I was an American citizen.
INTERVIEWER:
Is there anything that you remember that your parents taught you about how you should be as Japanese or
how you should be as an American?
NISHIMURA:
Well, the, you know, the Japanese people have a lot of (inaudible) being a Japanese citizen so they use to
talk about it but then so how I felt I was more American citizen so I didn't think of Japan at the time. I
was too young.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you ever experience any kind of prejudice when you were growing up?
NISHIMURA:
Hmm, not that I know about prejudice. In fact, we were too young to think about prejudice. You know
we were too young to think about prejudice because in a small camp like ours we were all like a family
whether you were Portuguese or Filipino or Japanese or---we all just like one. We didn't, we didn’t
discriminate. We did separate ourselves. We always just together.
INTERVIEWER:
That’s great. [12:00] I wish it was always like that. So what what were your plans in life? When you
got out of high school, what were you looking to do?
NISHIMURA:
I didn't get you.
INTERVIEWER:
What were---did you have any plans? Did you want to go do something after you finished high school?
NISHIMURA:
Well at that time nothing had entered my mind about the future. Maybe I felt well just accept what come
along and then maybe through some of the experience I went through I like to be something but nothing
enter my mind.
INTERVIEWER:
So what did you do after high school? What kind of jobs did you do?

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�NISHIMURA:
I didn't get you.
INTERVIEWER:
What did you do after high school? What did you do?
NISHIMURA:
I worked for the sugar company. I worked for the sugar company because I feel that was the only
(inaudible) to find job in sugar plantation. Being small plantation like ours we don’t have such a business
or things like that so sugar industry was the main industry. So most of the community people and the
people over there worked in the sugar plantation.
INTERVIEWER:
Well what did you do in the sugar plantation?
NISHIMURA:
Well first after school, the plantation use to need boys the jobs harvesting the field. At least to give us
some experience what is working like. We earn a few bucks. But not that actually trying to make money
but at least we thought we like to work and have our barracks. That's how it was. And then we had no
other future intention so [14:00] we just had to just be stuck with the plantation. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
So what---so how did you enter into the military? How how did you become into the Army?
NISHIMURA:
Well I was drafted. When the first draft came out in 1940 I was one of the first to be picked in 1940 of
December, December 10th. I cannot forget that date. It was my first experience going into the Army so I
was kind of worry what this was all about.
INTERVIEWER:
So when you first got your draft notice, what did you think?
NISHIMURA:
I was (inaudible) why, why was I drafted? I didn't have no idea but I guess the United States government
has something to think about in the future that something was coming up maybe about the War. I don't
know. We had no idea.
INTERVIEWER:
What was your parents---what was their reaction when you told them?
NISHIMURA:
Well they were quite touched on that because I would say they were afraid why I was drafted. You know,
something new that never happened about being in the United States Armed Forces. And this is
something new the whole community was worried what was going on. But as a citizen, as an American
citizen we had no choice but to comply with that and be drafted.
INTERVIEWER:
So there were others in your community that got drafted too?
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�NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you what there were several of them that was that had notice, draft notice and after going
through the [16:00]check-up. You see they check you up and I was the only one picked among I would
say about four or five people. I was the only one picked so I felt kind of lost. I was the only one picked.
But for some reason maybe the other people that was suppose to go with me had some physical problem
or something like that because the doctors had to check us out first.
INTERVIEWER:
So you were the only one from your town that
NISHIMURA:
At the time, yeah.
INTERVIEWER:
That went.
NISHIMURA:
Of course, later on more came in but I was the first draft.
INTERVIEWER:
So on the day that you had to go to your for your first day in training, did your parents say anything to
you?
NISHIMURA:
Well the only thing they told me (inaudible) so do whatever you can do for your country and then go there
and do your best. So I guess what they told me was right. You know, they feel I was one of the draftee
that served in the United States Army. So go ahead and do it. Do your best.
INTERVIEWER:
So what was your first day of training like?
NISHIMURA:
What's that?
INTERVIEWER:
What was your first day of training like?
NISHIMURA:
First day of training, well I can tell you I was quite uncomfortable because this is something that I never
went through in my life. Training for the Army. Something new to me and then I would say something
very strange. Strange feeling and I thought I wondered why I was drafted. But then then thinking back,
well the government need somebody to be in the service, [18:00] Armed Forces so I accepted and
thinking well I have to learn it anyway. I have no choice.
INTERVIEWER:
Where did you go for training?

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�NISHIMURA:
Well I went to the Island of O’ahu. They call it Scholfield Barracks. I had my training there for 13 weeks.
They follow the basic training na. The follow the basic training. And then after that they attached me to
the National Guard. You know they had the National Guard so I was sent to the National Guard and I
was sent back to the Big Island, Hawaii, where they had the National Guard.
INTERVIEWER:
So did you get to see your family and friends when you went back to the Big Island?
NISHIMURA:
Did I what?

INTERVIEWER:
Did you get to go and see your family and friends
NISHIMURA:
Yeah I had a chance to visit them because before???too far from???where we trained back in Hawaii
INTERVIEWER:
How old were you when you were drafted?
NISHIMURA:
I was 20 I think I was 28. 28.
INTERVIEWER:
And did you make friends when you were in basic training?
NISHIMURA:
Yeah. We did---I mean we met a lot of friends and then but it was interesting that I got to meet some new
people.
INTERVIEWER:
Was it different meeting people from the other islands?
NISHIMURA:
What's that?
INTERVIEWER:
Was it different meeting people from the other Islands? Were they different?
NISHIMURA:
No I guess they were all human so they’re all the same. You know just make friends. I didn't find any
difference from whatever island you go what other people you meet.
INTERVIEWER:
What kind of stuff did you guys do? You and your buddies?

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�NISHIMURA:
What's that?
INTERVIEWER:
What kind of things you and your buddies do when you weren't you know in training? [20:00]
NISHIMURA:
Well there was a lot of things of course. For one thing we use to play sports and our training area was
about I would say about 20 or 30 miles from town, Honolulu area, so we use to catch a taxis or bus and go
to town and then just browse around like any GI would do that. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
Okay, what---let's go on to Pearl Harbor. How did you first find out what happened in Pearl Harbor?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you, we were training Hilo in that airport area. We were in the barracks that morning let's see
that it was about 7:30 or 8 o'clock. We were reading the newspaper and of course we had the radio on
and then all of a sudden they announce about Pearl Harbor has been bombed. Well we thought this some
kind of jokes or something but later on the Commander came in our barracks and said "This is real now so
get ready. This is real." So this is how we found out that they actually bombed, bombed Pearl Harbor.
INTERVIEWER:
So what did you feel when you found out that it is was real?
NISHIMURA:
When did I find out?
INTERVIEWER:
What did you feel when you found out it was real?
NISHIMURA:
You see all of a sudden you come to think "I wonder why they bombed Pearl Harbor?" We have no idea
that our enemies would do that. We had no idea why they did that. We had no nothing to think about it.
I don’t know we were just blank I guess. [22:00]
INTERVIEWER:
How did you feel about Japan?
NISHIMURA:
Ah I really don't know how I felt about that because after my parents came from Japan and this happened
over here. They were wondering why did this happen anyway you know you just, we just you're lost.
You don't know what to think about it. How did this happen? Why did it happen? We had no idea. Plus
the government may be say something or something not right maybe this because this happened we don't
know why it happened. It's a mystery but it happened so maybe we just have to accept it.
INTERVIEWER:
So what happened during that day you're Sergeant you said came and said get ready. What did you guys
do? You had to go get ready, what, what

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�NISHIMURA:
Oh yeah. You know what boys. This is the real McCoy so get ready. We went out there, we have to
protect our country out here. We said alright Sergeant so we got ready and went out in the fields. As the
Captain said get ready anything can happen. But nothing happened. It was I guess they just bombed
Pearl Harbor and just left. Nobody invaded us as far as that. So of course I we were ready any time. We
get ready. The outfit was ready. And so we thought this is war. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
What happened in the next couple of weeks right after Pearl Harbor?
NISHIMURA:
Well, we kept on guarding our area, just our area. Where ever we’re suppose [24:00] to guard that area
and then get ready for anything that would happen. We didn't do no invading. We just stay put and guard
the area, day and night.
INTERVIEWER:
So how long did that go on for?
NISHIMURA:
Well that went on for quite some time. Until we until it came the time the organized the 100th Battalion.
That was sometime in June I think. What they did was they wanted all the Japanese boys to come to
O’ahu and this was how the 100th was formed. We didn't know what was going on. We were outside in
the vicinity guarding the shoreline. Trying to protect the Islands. Then we had a notice saying they want
all the Japanese boys to get together and they we were sent to Honolulu. That's all we know. We did't
know what was going on.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you go through having your weapons taken away?
NISHIMURA:
Yeah. They took all our weapons away, that I remember. We didn't get no weapons at all. We had
weapons guarding the shore line and all the vicinity there. They took everything away from us. Maybe
we feel they feel maybe it was safe. I don't know. We had no idea. All we wanted to do was take all
those and they sent us to Honolulu. Then that's where the 100th was formed. Back there.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you have any personal feeling when they [26:00] disarmed you?
NISHIMURA:
Ah just what do you mean by personal feeling? Toward the government or individual or what?
INTERVIEWER:
Anything how did it make you feel?
NISHIMURA:
I don't what to say. I don't have any personal feelings because we didn't know what was going on. We
just say well you boys ready. Get all the (inaudible) get together they said they were going organize the

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�battalion called the 100th Infantry Battalion separate. That's all I know. Actually we don't know where
we were going.
INTERVIEWER:
Did other people treat you differently after Pearl Harbor?
NISHIMURA:
What you mean other races or the ???family??? No I don't think we had any issue or things like that or
you know they feel something toward us. In fact, they were quite worried about us where they were send
us. And we didn't know where we were going. We just board the ship and off we went. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
How about your parents? How did they feel about what Japan attacking Pearl Harbor?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you what, they didn't say a word about it. I don't know maybe they didn't want to say. They
had, maybe they had no reason and they don't know why. I doubt I can only answer you is, is that they
don't know why. It’s a big question why did this happen. Nobody knew what happen. Why is this
happened?
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INTERVIEWER:
Okay so you got on a ship and you didn't know where you were going
NISHIMURA:
No we didn't have no idea where we were going. They won't tell---even if they knew it they wouldn't tell
us I think. We just wondered where we were on the ship.
INTERVIEWER:
Before you left, did your parents say anything to you when they said goodbye?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you what, when we were shipped out from Hawaii to come to O'ahu, you know the Japanese
boys were concentrated and shipped to Hawaii, we didn't have a chance to meet our parents. We just
"boys get ready, you're going" that all, we went. All we did was go home and say "we're going out" to
somewhere we don't know. Even if they knew, they didn't tell us. So we didn't even you know say
goodbye to them. To us it was just like that. And where where I was training this is an area for
(Hawaiian) plantation, the southern part of the Big Island. It's about 40, 30. 70 about 90 miles away so
we didn't have any chance to go home and tell our parents. Then we went away. So, so it happened.
INTERVIEWER:
Who did you talk to when you called on the phone? Did you talk to your Mom or Dad?
NISHIMURA:
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�Well I called my parents we're just leaving. Where we don't know. So I told them don't worry we're in
good hands. So they were satisfied. They (inaudible) in the United States Army, in good hands. So I told
them don't worry of course you [02:00] tell them not to worry as a parent, you worry. As you can't get
away. (Inaudible) as parents. I worry for my children. The same thing. I guess we all worry for some
reason or another. So they got worry, I tell them don't worry that all. I told them don't worry. Keep
healthy and I am coming back some day. To make them feel somewhat good. Relax you know. I don't
blame them for feeling worried.
INTERVIEWER:
Did they have any words of advice to you or did they say anything to you?
NISHIMURA:
They said well go out and do what you can. Do what you can and then keep our of trouble. That's all. As
a parent they always tell me keep out of trouble. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
So on the way to you don't know where,
NISHIMURA:
No
INTERVIEWER:
What were you guys doing on the ship?
NISHIMURA:
What we were doing? Just nothing we can do but just sit around and then I guess talk story and then well
I don't know what to say. Just sit around and then just wait until we reach our destination. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
What kind of stuff do you talk about?
NISHIMURA:
You mean on the ship? You want me---I thought you were asking questions I wondered where they were
sending us to and why they're sending out from Hawaii? We had no idea what was going on. But all we
knew was that organized the 100th Battalion. So that's how the 100th was born in 1942, I think, was it.
Yeah
INTERVIEWER:
So when you finally got to where you were going, where was it? Where did you end up?
NISHIMURA:
You mean when we first reached our destination? Huh? We landed [04:00] in Oakland. That's all I
know. Then we caught a train and it took us about I think it was about 4 days I think and four nights and
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�we end up in Wisconsin. You know, I can tell you one thing approaching Wisconsin, we happened to
pass by a barracked with a lot of barbwires. So that came to our mind, are they sending us out to the
Concentration Camp? Well, we saw the barbed wires. The another boy thought the same. And all of the
sudden the train backed up. I think they couldn’t anybody call that where ahead where they wanted to go,
they went into that place, that's what we think. They let the other train passed and then backed up and
sent us to Camp McCoy. So we got off at Camp McCoy. So we knew then that we came there to train.
Not to the concentration camp but when we saw the barbed wires.
INTERVIEWER:
Hmm. So when you first got to Camp, what did you think when you first got off the train?
NISHIMURA:
Well nothing came to my mind except maybe we came here for training, you know, we didn't even think
that we were going to be sent overseas. Nothing has entered our mind about that. All we knew well boys
this is the area you are going to train. That's all we knew.
INTERVIEWER:
What was it like there?
NISHIMURA:
What was. . .
INTERVIEWER:
What was it like in Wisconsin?
NISHIMURA:
Did I like it?
INTERVIEWER:
What, what, what was it like compared to Hawaii in Wisconsin? Was it cold or [06:00]
NISHIMURA:
Well, we were there in the summer time so it was the weather was pretty good. Summertime and then of
course along came winter time and then we had we stayed in a small cabin in Wisconsin outside from the
main barracks. The wind outside the main Camp McCoy and then later on after about October or
November they they shipped us to a new area in Camp McCoy where they had a lot of barracks and all
the things. Before that we use to stay in small tents in a small area where we had our training over there.
And then maybe after the camp was, the new camp was going to send us over there in the barracks. So
that was pretty good. We had nice warm barracks, heated barracks and things like that and just about time
it was Christmas so from December then some snow start falling down. We just a good experience for
the Hawaii boys. And this was the first time I witness snow. It was a good experience.
INTERVIEWER:
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�Did, did they keep you separate from everyone else in Camp McCoy?
NISHIMURA:
What? What do you mean by separate?
INTERVIEWER:
You said that you were in tents somewhere else
NISHIMURA:
Yeah. When we went to Camp McCoy, we stayed in the barracks and the whole company was staying in
one barrack. Certain company certain barrack. Certain company certain barrack. (Hand motion to
indicate each company had their own barracks) They had the barracks were pretty big barracks. They
had what they called "heated" barracks and nice showers and things like that so it was alright.
And the community was really nice to us. I mean you didn’t ask me about the community but the
community was really friendly and nice to us. And we had no problem with the community. In fact, we
were so close to them, that it was [08:00] oh I know when they found out we were leaving Camp McCoy
for Camp Shelby, Mississippi, I think they wasn't too happy about it you know because we came so close
to them. In fact, after we left there somehow we found out that this little town called Sparta. I don't know
if I should tell you all this things or what. They had this big flood over there once with some heavy rain
and bad weather. I think the 100th boys if I'm not mistaken, we collected some few boxes that we could
get and send it to them to help those people to what the trouble they went through with all the flood. So
they were happy about it. We wanted to do that but they were really nice to us. In fact, some of the boys
were married to them after the war. They went married to the girls there. They made friends out there and
they got pretty close and then they got married to some of the girls out there. (Laughs) That's how it was
and then in fact some of the boys living up there.
INTERVIEWER:
How about you, did you make any girlfriends over there?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you, I had friends but you know just casual, just friends, go to the family house and spend
Christmas and Thanksgiving with them. They were a lot of Germany people there too and the Germans
were our enemy too. But at that time we didn't think nothing about racial, racial things. We were just all
one. It was---I tell you people in Sparta was really nice. I know we really appreciated that and there was
another town called La Crosse. It was a little bit bigger than Sparta. We use to go to La Crosse too. The
city was a bigger city and we had more, more entertaining and fun over there.
INTERVIEWER:
What kind of things did you do in La Crosse? Entertainment you said.
NISHIMURA:

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�Well we either went to the movies. We had we go to roller skating. We didn't know how to roller skate
[10:00] but when you're young guys we do anything. And there was a river boat over there. We use to go
to the river boat on the Mississippi and go on the boat. And then we sail on the river. A lot of time
recreation.
INTERVIEWER:
So did you ever experience any kind of prejudice from the people there?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you we didn't get any prejudice but you know once we went to a night bar not night club but
just a restaurant over there and somehow some of the Texan division guys they use to us, you know, when
they play that song "Deep In The Heart Of Texas" you have to stand up. Well we didn't like that. I
thought we we were the same guys in the Army why should we stand up for that when they play the song,
"Deep In The Heart Of Texas"? So, they got some misunderstanding and they, I think they almost had a
bawl but somehow they stopped that. So I remember our Colonel heard something about it that we had
some problems and then he gathered all of us together and said, "You know, you guys are only a
Battalion. You cannot fight a regiment so keep away from those guys. (Laughs) Giving us a lecture. Of
course, what he was trying to tell us is don't mingle with the make problems like that, you know. Just
forget it because we were all in the same Army. I mean the same one so don't don’t feel that you
(Inaudible) us. Just keep away from trouble. Well, I guess some of the Texas young guys were
(inaudible) they was something like that, young. Surprised they (inaudible). Attempting to be acting.
(Laughs) But that was then, we have no problems. [12:00] Of course, like anything else, you have
problems sometime especially the young guys. (Laughs) They think they can hit the world. (Laughs) But
generally speaking it was good. We had, we had a good relation with the Wisconsin people especially the
little town of Sparta, Wisconsin. And there was a lot of town like Lake River Falls. A place called
Durham. So we got to know all the small towns over there.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you feel---do you feel you had a good relationship with the other regiment?
NISHIMURA:
Well we didn't get to close to other regiments. The training area was separated and not together. So the
only time we meet these people was in town. They go to town, we go to town and somehow you bump
into each other. But, but we talk with them and only as I mentioned earlier they had one occasion about
you have to stand up when they play that song, "Deep In The Heart Of Texas." I guess, I guess this young
guys thought they were brave and then (laughs) but we kept we tried but we kept away because why do
the fighting over there because we had to fight overseas. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
So when you when you left Camp McCoy to go to Camp Shelby, what was it like saying goodbye to the
people?
NISHIMURA:
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�Well it was pretty sad parting, uh. We told them well maybe we shouldn't tell them where we were going
because those days it was a military secret. But somehow word got out they said we were going to ship
us somewhere in the South. They didn't say what place but down the South. Some place in Mississippi,
uh. So it was a sad parting but there's no choice we had. [14:00] We had to go. Of course they felt bad
about it but then they said well when you got move, you got to go. Serve your country. So on that day
we departed from there.
Then we---shall I keep on talking? Then we went to Camp Shelby over there and then we had a
maneuvers over there. We had a regular maneuvers went into the forest and things like that. The
Mississippi and Louisiana area. But that maneuvers wasn't too, too fun because you run into a lot of
problems. It was really, really training. In fact, I can tell you , can I say this? In fact one night I went out
and happened to lie down on the grass over there. Just in the night. We just lay down any place. Before
they use to tell us watch out for the snakes, chiggers and wood ticks. I don't know if you know about that.
And the poison ivy. You heard about poison ivy? Well it happened that I happened to lie down on the
place and I had to lean on the poison ivy. You know that thing got all over me, all into my body. I
couldn't stand the itch so what they did was they send me to the hospital over there and I was standing
there about 2 weeks trying to get rid of (inaudible) cure for the poison ivy. And what they do is you they
don't give you medicine but what they do is give you a medicine bath. I took medicine bath in that tub.
One hour for every day. So this is how they rid the poison ivy. I was told by the doctors if that poison
ivy goes into your eyes that you get blind so I worry. But somehow it got cured and but that was how it
was. So I didn't care much about Louisiana with all those snakes and wood ticks and all those things.
[16:00] But that was part of the training maneuvers you got to expect anything in the maneuvers. So
actually maneuvers was pretty rough. Just like going to a war. Only you, only you don't see the live
admonition. Just blanks, blank ammunition. So that is one of the training we had. I don't know if the
other boys told you that what but we had the training over there.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you have the same kind of relationship with the people around there that you did in Camp McCoy?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you what, it wasn't that close like Camp McCoy. But I don't why that somehow that Camp
McCoy, I mean Wisconsin people were pretty nice. I want to revise this on this now, you know. I'm just
comparing but it just happened that we enjoyed Wisconsin more than the people in Mississippi near
Hattiesburg. They were nice to us. They accepted us. But I don't know if I should tell you this or what
but then we didn't know about the discrimination over there.
They had colored people and of course white people and then you think I shouldn't tell this you can wipe
it out on the tape. We're into the theatres. We were separate from them. There was a sign over there
Black and the White. We were considered "White." Well that really didn't cross our mind why did this
happen? Why did we do those things to those people? We're all Americans. I think you heard about
racial. That racial problem is maybe still going on. I don't know but it happened over there. To the
people in Hawaii it was something that we didn't even think about it. [18:00] You ride in a bus, in Hawaii
we use to go in the back seat so that we don't have to stand up for nobody. When the ladies come we
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�didn't have to move, we were in the back seat. So we sat in the back. Then the bus driver said "Hey you
guys, come in the front." Why I don't know. Then that's for the colored people in the back. Now if you
think that's not I shouldn't talk about this, you can wipe it out on the tape. I'm just telling you what
happened. When you think that's not right what I'm saying I will tell you can wipe it out. It was, maybe
the children don't what to hear these things in the school. So you can wipe it out. Maybe the children, it's
not you might poison the children in the school about racial things so I telling you but you can wipe it out
if thing is not right.
INTERVIEWER:
Let me just say that you know we we weren't there in the South and actually we want to hear this kind of
stuff because we want to know what it was like, what you went through. So you can go ahead
NISHIMURA:
Ah umm
INTERVIEWER:
So you tell us about it.
NISHIMURA:
But you think it’s alright that I should say these things for the children in the school?
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah I mean if we don't talk about it then no one knows how it was like.
NISHIMURA:
Ah umm
INTERVIEWER:
So that's why we are here. That's why we want to know about that kind of thing.
NISHIMURA:
So I don't want the public thing that why should I bring these things up of those days in the 1940's. Of
course now you don't have that. Everybody is one now. Only thing is you have if you are racists, we
have difference races all over the world. Germans, Japanese, American, Italians all that we have. But at
that time they were discriminated. We (inaudible) from Hawaii we couldn't see that because we didn't
have that back in Hawaii. This was something new we experienced. [20:00] Why this thing should
happen? Why did it happen? We don't know. We couldn't even find out that answer. That's how it was.
So to us something beyond our thinking but we had to comply with them because we were in the United
States Army. And we were considered even though we were Japanese we were considered the White
side. So they told us 'Hey you guys don't sit in the back, sit in the front". So we couldn't get over that.
Go to the movie theatre, when we go to the restaurant it was all separated. Now I don't know if I should
tell these things to you or you bring this into the classroom which might poison the children mind or they
might treat them different so if you think this is not right, you can wipe it out.
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�INTERVIEWER:
Okay, okay.
NISHIMURA:
Now I'll leave it up to you now. If you think it’s not right to say these things only you didn't question me
about this but I'm telling you what happened. If you think it is not right, please wipe it out.
INTERVIEWER:
Well actually take a break here. We’re ran out of battery here.
NISHIMURA:
Do you think but do you in your own opinion do you think it's good to bring it up before the class about
these things that you know poisoning the children or saying so this is our country America had or what.
INTERVIEWER:
Go ahead and stop tape. Roll tape.
NISHIMURA:
Because I don't want to feel why should that guy say those things about the White people discriminating
the colored people? I don't want to hear that. Because I think you know and I know that this really
happened in the South. It really happened. I think you---I don't know if you read about it. Maybe if you
were too young to know about it. But it really happened so that was kind of something new to us from
Hawaii. Well (inaudible) Hawaii. Maybe some other part of the United States too that I know. [22:00]
But to us from Hawaii well it was something beyond us.
INTERVIEWER:
Did---was there anyone that told you how it was going to be and what rules you should follow?
NISHIMURA:
No, not exactly. They didn't the people in the service you know the officers didn't mention to us about
those things. They didn't tell us "Hey keep away from that". No, nothing had been said. We found out
ourselves. As you leave for town, naturally we have passes. We went down for one day pass and well
you can see it happening before your eyes. No one had to tell us. And we---and then I thought that was
not right but then but maybe those things was I don't know what you call that. Make up rules ... Make
up make up things that they did on their own. It wasn't a law see. I know it wasn’t a law. I don't think it
was a law that they keep away from certain people.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you guys talk about what you saw there with you and your buddies you talk about it?
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�Well sometime when you get together you say "Gee I wonder why this happen." What's going on? Well
we talk about it. We don't know. Actually how this happened, what should happen this way. We don't
know. This (inaudible) is something beyond our thinking, you know. But it happened those days and I'm
glad it's not happening any more, you know, it’s not right. But we cannot condemn the United States
government or the people that this happened. Maybe that was way back in history---from way back and
this was going on. Maybe after the war, the war [24:00] things maybe have changed because they were
drafted too, you know. They were American citizens now. They were drafter too like us. Not because
there were people that were not drafted. They were drafted. They were all one only when you are in the
Army you are all one. But in the civilian life maybe it was different. But as I mentioned earlier, you
think that’s not right what I say you can wipe it out. I know I don't want to offend anybody, you know.
INTERVIEWER:
Well what about, hmm, the Internment Camps. When did you hear about that?
NISHIMURA:
Well after we----we were training over here. Up from the Mainland, we heard our friends wrote to us
from Hawaii. Oh your school teacher, I know this school teacher, my (inaudible) school teacher went to
the concentration camp. Oh that was shock to us. Why they were sent there because that was how it was.
The Japanese school teachers from Japan they knew very few things about Japan history and things like
that so they thought that they might inform Japan government what's going on. So to be on the secure
side they concentrate all these citizens from Japan. They were not American citizens. They were from
Japan so they were Japan citizens.
So maybe that's concentrate and all these kind, the reverends, the priests, the high priest and the school
teachers and some of guys that had the top post in Hawaii, Japanese top post guys, they concentrate and
sent them to camp. They made sure they didn't make any more troubles. Which they didn't make any
trouble. Or they wouldn't make any trouble. And my school teacher was one of them. He was in the
Jerome [26:00] Arkansas So I told them to give me his address. You know they use to write home to
their families. So they give me their address and what I do I bought toothpaste and some other things and
commodities I use to send to them. You know, I felt sorry maybe they didn't get the things they wanted
so. We use to send---I use to send through service through the mail. And they were happy. They sent us
thank you letter and all that too. So I use to write to them while you in there, be cool headed, you know,
don't try anything rowdy. Just stay there and take orders and then keep quiet and just be one of them and
be good people. And I I guess from what heard they didn't get any problem when they were there in the
camp. You know, I don't know maybe some other camp in California or some other places they had
problems but these people in Arkansas in Jerome they didn't get any problems. I'm glad about it.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you ever go to visit a camp?
NISHIMURA:

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�No I didn't have a chance. We didn't get a chance to get out and go visit them. We didn't have the time.
If we had time only one day pass and you cannot make it in one day. So I wanted to go but you couldn't
make it.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you have any idea what it was like in the camp through the letters that you got from your teacher?
NISHIMURA:
What they what?
INTERVIEWER:
Did you have, did your teacher give you an idea what it was like in the camps?
NISHIMURA:
No. They didn't say anything that you know bothered us, no. No, they say well they're just going through
their regular daily life. And then I guess the government see to it that they were fed well and things like
that. [28:00[ They didn't know. No problems as far as that. That's that’s what they wrote. Even if they
write they had in mind, they couldn't write that. Maybe they had something in mind but they didn't write
the idea but they didn't write that to us. So we cannot say what they were thinking. But they told us they
were alright. They were treated well. For that reason obviously they were prisoners but they were treated
well in those camps I guess. Even the prisoners that were captured during the war they were treated really
well. You know when you were overseas there was a lot of prisoners everywhere a lot of Germans and
Italians oh American treated them well. Treated them better than us. They gave them food, clothing.
(Laughs) You know you cannot discriminate against the prisoners because they were prisoner. They
were treated well. I guess our prisoners were treated well too. Because a lot of our boys were entered the
prison camps too. They were captured.
BEGINNING OF TAPE THREE
INTERVIEWER:
Okay so what was your first encounter with the 442 boys?
NISHIMURA:
When?
INTERVIEWER:
Oh what happened when you first?
NISHIMURA:
Oh. Well I tell you when I came to Camp Shelby since I had that that that poison ivy on me, I, I stayed in
the hospital about two days just to see that I get free to join my, my boys in the service, right. So I
happened to see some of the boys from Hawaii looking at gee these young boys in the service now. I
didn't know that this particular boy was in the service too. Because when we left Hawaii, I never dreamed
that this particular guy would be in the service and he was in the service with 442. So in my heart I
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�thought gee how young these boys are. But then I guess he volunteered too. You know most of the boys
volunteered in the 442. I think I heard about it, yeah. Oh that's all right. I like to serve my country. We
would talk. More questions come up about back home. See I just came back from Hawaii and naturally
we like to ask questions about our parents and our friends back home. So most of our stories were
interesting over there talking about Hawaii. Nothing about the Army. All about Hawaii, my friends, my
family and all those community people. So it was interesting for me. I really enjoyed the short time we
talked to them. Now we didn't get too much time because they had their own training area and we had
separated then. So from that I hardly met them. Then in the meantime they shipped us out. And they
stayed back for more training.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay well why don't you tell us when you were shipped out. [02:00]
NISHIMURA:
What?
INTERVIEWER:
Tell us about when you got shipped out. Did you get to say goodbye to. . .
NISHIMURA:
Well I think, I think the other boys told you about it too but we were sent to New Jersey, a place called
Camp Kilmer. I think ???other boys??? did the same thing. You asked the same question. We went to
Camp Kilmer in New Jersey. Where we were going? We didn't know. I didn't know nothing about
where we were going. Maybe somebody knew about it but they didn't whisper to us. Even if they
whispered to us, they only think not sure. They think. Think is another thing now. You can go any place
in the world. Of course we thought well we were going to go overseas anyways. So we were in the boat
and I think it took us about a little over one week on the boat. I'm not too sure about that but anyway I
don't know if I should keep on telling you where we landed. Is it all right to tell you where we landed?
Or do you want to question me.
INTERVIEWER:
Just go ahead.
NISHIMURA:
Okay, we landed at Oran, Africa, Oran. I don't even know if the other boys told you that or you
questioned them about that. You remember questions them about that?
INTERVIEWER:
Well we, we want to hear how you, you thought about. . .
NISHIMURA:
Oh we landed in Oran, Africa. The Southern---Northern part of Africa. We stayed there about 2 weeks to
get things ready to go to, to Italy, yeah. To get ready to go to Italy. In another words they start training
over there to adjusted with the country, and the foreign country and the feeling over there ah? So we
stayed there for about 2 weeks. It was good to say "Oh, I'm in Africa now." (Laughs) I've never been to
Africa but I'm in Africa. So we stayed there 2 weeks about 2 weeks. Then we start sailing across the
Mediterranean there and there we went to finally Italy.

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�INTERVIEWER:
What let me go back to Africa [04:00] really quick. What did it look like? I've never been to Africa.
NISHIMURA:
What did it look like? Well like any other country. You know like any other country and people dress
different. They live different and then I exactly just don't know what to say about that. Because they're
different people, no? I never saw that kind of people before. But we kept to ourselves. We did mingle
with the civilians. We had our own area. We stayed there. And then we had fun a little while over here
in town and then just what we can find, huh.
And then I can tell you from own experience once we went outside for training and we then we came to
an orchard of grapes. I don't know if I should tell you this or what. And you know how how we like our
fruits huh? We saw grapes hanging there so we went there to eat the grapes which it was really good.
Then you know what happened? (Laughs) There was a watchman over there. He saw us going there.
He start shooting at us. (Laughs) Trying to tell us get out from there so we just took off. (Laughs) We
didn't want to get shot. (Laughs) But you know when we're young and we see something that you think
oh we can try some, you go pick it, you know, be young. What's a few grapes we eat? So we ate and I
don't know if the other boys did but I ate the grapes. So we stayed there about 2 weeks to get ready, to get
organized. Gave us some low down what is war like. Things like that.
INTERVIEWER:
What, what did they tell you when they said what war was like?
NISHIMURA:
They said you know this is war now. This is real, real McCoy. You are going to war area and that's all
they told us. So just get prepared that's all. They didn't want to scare us you know. They said just that it
was the real thing [06:00] now. That we trained you in maneuvers. So now this is the real thing so well
we had that in mind well this is what we trained for so we sailed right into the ???Midland??? for the first
time.
INTERVIEWER:
What was it like when you got to Italy?
NISHIMURA:
What you what?
INTERVIEWER:
What was it like when you got to Italy?
NISHIMURA:
What was it like? Well I don't know what to say but we hardly met civilians. We hardly met civilians so
it took quite a while before we had a chance to go to into Italy town and then meet some Italian people. I
don't know what they thought about us. They didn't know, they even know who we were I think. I don't
think they've seen any Japanese people. So they didn't know who we were I think. And there Italy was
our enemy, right? Italy and then Germany were our enemies, right? But you know in my mind and their
mind I don't think they hated us or didn't like us over there. Even if they don't like us but it was war.
INTERVIEWER:
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�So when you got to Italy what did you have to do over there?
NISHIMURA:
Well first of all they lectured us about what is all around the war. How to act. What to do and things
like that. They give us the low down what it is to be in a regular combat area. So that gave us a general
idea and of course as time went on we learned more and more what was it was like to be in the frontline.
In the maneuvers sure it’s training but in war it’s a lot (inaudible) of real McCoy now. The real thing,
huh. Either you get shoot or you shoot back either way so that's another thing. It's not maneuvers
anymore. It's not blank shots. [08:00] So I can tell you something, I was, I speak to you, we were all
scared, you know. Because some guy says he’s not scared, he’s lying. We're all scared. You don't want
to get shot so this is what entered our mind, huh. But we don't tell our friends I’m not scared or afraid.
We're ashamed to tell those things. After we're there for possible we defend our country. So we don't say
those things but in our mind, in my mind, I was afraid. I'm not ashamed to tell that. And that is a true
fact that I think all the boys was afraid. They won't tell you that because that's the real McCoy. But we
have to defend our country so we have to do it so.
INTERVIEWER:
You okay with the mike there?
Off Camera:
(inaudible)
INTERVIEWER:
Pause real quick. I'm sorry. Okay so how long was it before---when you got in Italy, how was it before
you first went into combat?
NISHIMURA:
How long what?
INTERVIEWER:
How long did it take before you first went into combat?
NISHIMURA:
Oh you mean when you first landed there at. Oh gee, ah I cannot remember. Maybe a few days, maybe a
few days. We didn't go right away in the frontline you know. What we have to do, we have to be
organized. To say what you are going to do and how to go about and then get the guys oriented. What
area you are going to fight. What place you are going to fight and all those things so we didn't go to the
frontline right away. You know they just, they just don’t throw us in the front, you know. We go back
and organize and then they start to go to the front. Many times I didn't know where I was going. You just
walk. We go by truck. Just keep on going. I know I did a lot of walking. That's what they said, that's
what they said the Infantry is walk.
INTERVIEWER:
[10:00] What was the first campaign? The first combat? Where was that?
NISHIMURA:
The first combat gee. I don't know. I don't know even what the other boys told you or what but then.
Hey I'm sorry but I cannot remember the names boys, too long ago. I know some towns but the first
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�combat area I I cannot remember unless it's Caserta. We landed in Caserta I know. That area already
maybe Americans took that area that area Caserta. Caserta is the Southern part of Italy. And from there
they moved on in to Italy. Towns and cities, huh. Naples and all those places.
INTERVIEWER:
What did it look like when you got there?
NISHIMURA:
What do you mean?
INTERVIEWER:
What did it look like? Did you see battles had been fought there?
NISHIMURA:
Well you could see some battles cause here and there. The buildings bombed down. And we see some
tractors bombed out and things like that. But you can see that war was going on huh.
INTERVIEWER:
What did you think when you first saw that kind of damage?
NISHIMURA:
Well I was thinking why should this happen, eh? But that’s war for you. (Inaudible) I cannot, I don't
want to say.
INTERVIEWER:
I know
NISHIMURA:
You know, even if Italy was our enemy, you felt sorry for those citizens, you know. They didn't have a
decent house but by the time the house broken down with the bombs and all that. If our bombs is not
broken, the Germans are threatening you see. That is what happened so I don' want to say on that.
INTERVIEWER:
Let's, let's go to the first time you were under fire, what, what was that like?
NISHIMURA:
Well it wasn't a good feeling, no. I can tell it wasn't a good feeling. [12:00] You know the light stuff is
coming in but then it's one of those things that you cannot say "don't shoot." (Laughs) So it's war so
you're gonna have to face it I go forward that's all.
INTERVIEWER:
Was it in a town? Was it in hills? What, what did it look like where you were?
NISHIMURA:
For, for we went through some towns too and some hills no. Walk the hills and walk up the hills and
things like that you know because Italy is mountainous country so we use to go a lot of hills up there and
try to chase them out. Unfortunately in the meantime some of boys were wounded and killed. We seen a
lot of boys got killed and wounded things like that.
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�INTERVIEWER:
The first time you saw one of your friends get wounded, what did you think, how did you feel?
NISHIMURA:
I think my God, I wondered was this real? You know you see wounded, I've seen wounded guy got hit in
the German they call it artery shell drop by him and I saw his arm was all shattered. When I saw that I
was thinking this must be real. It's not maneuvers any more. But you cannot be thinking about that. You
just have to go forward and of course the wounded would be taken care of. It's no time to say "Boy, I pity
him" or this or that because I might get it one day myself. You feel sorry for him but I know him
personally. If you know someone personally you feels, it brothers you more. Before you feel sorry for
the others too, they’re our comrades, yea. The person you know personally, you come from the same
home town, it touches you, you know. We grew up together. I saw this guy all wounded in the arm
[14:00] so I think he was sent back I'm not sure but we go forward and they were sent back.
INTERVIEWER:
How long did that first time, the first time you were under attack, how long did that last?
NISHIMURA:
Oh wow. You know there are times that maybe for two days we keep on fighting, go forward and then
maybe we rest for another day. Day off. You know you have to rest awhile, change of clothes things like
that. Take a shower, bath. There's times sometimes we don't take shower or bath. Many times we sleep
with our shoes on. Anytime the enemies might come around, yea. That's how it was. You know when
you are up in the frontlines it's not like a home, you know. (Laughs) It's not like a home. You have to
face the weather. You have to face the enemies or whatever comes you have to face it. Well we got to
expect that anyways.
INTERVIEWER:
What, what was the weather like at that that first time?
NISHIMURA:
Weather, well it wasn't too bad at the time but gradually when you came to winter months it was kind of
chilly. I know we use to go to the mountains. There’s a lot of mountains in Italy and there was a lot of
snow around there. So what we use to---I use to get the snow and put in my canteen so we have some
water to drink. Of course, they use to give us water but sometime they run short so we use to
???corner??? the snow, mash it up in our helmet and make it into water and pour it in our can. I don't
know how clean that is but we drank it. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
How about food?
NISHIMURA:
Huh?
INTERVIEWER:
How was the food?
NISHIMURA:
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�Food? Food
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah
NISHIMURA:
Oh we had what they call it C-rations. I don't know if the others guys told you about the c-ration. It's a
can good you know. They serve it for breakfast, lunch, dinner you know all the stuff concentrated. They
found (inaudible) come on in cans. You know in the end we got so use to eating that we [16:00] came to
like it. We had no choice. We came to like it. And then called another k-rations. K-rations was a little
bit better. They had chewing gum. They had cigarette. They had some dessert in there. A little bit than
c-rations. Then they had another ten in one. Ten in one means that concentration in box is enough for ten
people. That's why they call it ten in one so ten people in one company. So that was good, lot of things
inside there. And then some of the boys carried stove, a small stove so they can heat up coffee or tea or
whatever. So as far as food wise we were like well furnished. We didn't starve. And there were times we
had to rest. They gave us a break at times maybe two or three days, gave us rest. Then they had an
overnight kitchen over there​, ​soup. It was a kitchen and the cooks over there cook and they give us pretty
hot meal, hamburgers and things like that which was good.
I remember, I don't know if I should tell you this but we were marching once in the dark. We were in the
frontline. We hear a jeep coming up forward. We didn't know why the jeep was coming up and they told
us those on the right side put out your left hand. Those marching on the left side, put out your right hand.
Then toward the jeep, the jeep in the center. The guys goes from this side and put out your hand. One of
the jeep guys working there throw a big hamburger on your hand. So we eat that and we keep on going.
That hamburger tasted good. (Laughs) You put out your hand and they put a hamburger on your hand.
Oh that was one of the experiences I went through. You know when you are in the frontline, you're not
???home, not??? luxury. [18:00]
INTERVIEWER:
So do you remember what the next campaign you went to after your first few battles?
NISHIMURA:
No, I the only campaign was in Italy. There were no other places. I was wounded already so some of the
boys went up to France, I think. I think they went up to France they said you heard about the Lost
Battalion, yeah? They went there. I didn't reach there because I was wounded. The furthest I went to
was to you heard about the leaning Tower of Pisa, huh? In Italy? I went pretty close to that. I think
(inaudible) the town. They came over there. When I heard they came over there, I went down to see my
friend from Big Island, from Hawaii but I couldn't find him because too many of them over there. So I
did get a chance to talk to them. In the meantime they sent me back to Hawaii because I was wounded.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay let's go back to when you were wounded. That was at the Battle of Casino?
NISHIMURA:
What about Casino?
INTERVIEWER:
That's where you were wounded?
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�NISHIMURA:
Yeah.
INTERVIEWER:
Why don't you tell us about what happened there.
NISHIMURA:
Well that was early in the morning they told us to get ready we're going up there. Concentrate on Casino.
Casino was plan problems there. I heard about ???morning??? stairs there they have a nice (inaudible) on
the hill, Casino Hill. But the Germans were bombing over there. Thinking that the allies were using that
as a fortress. They were bombing that place. In fact, our planes were bombing there because they were
thinking the Germans were using that as a fortress. So I think they bombed there too. Yeah they bombed
there first. They were there first. Then they chased them out. In the meantime we were on the flats
trying to go back in and chase them out. [20:00]
On that morning I remember there was a Major Jack Johnson. I don't know if you heard about him. He
was a Kauai boy. He was Major. When you up post there was a canal over there. And there was ladder
going up to the flats over there. He said, "Come on boys, come on boys get going". This was early in the
morning. It was pretty dark there. About 5 or 6 o'clock in the morning. Well we come out the days are
shorts so in the morning it was still dark. So we climbed up the ladder and went to the flats. Then after
going down to the (inaudible) we had orders to pin down. Don't move because they were just
concentrating (inaudible) they were just watching us. I think they knew we were coming there, you
know. So they were watching us. And sure enough they were, they were watching us. They were
shooting at us.
Well I don't know even if I told you this or what. That place was full of trees. You call it olive trees.
You know in Italy they had a lot of olive trees, you know. I don't know if you heard about it. All the
olive trees. Well I think these guys were expecting our troops, the allies coming through there. You can
see them under the trees. They cut all the trees down to expose. See how smart they was. And they kind
of flood the area too to make it visible for us. Whatever we had to go so we had to keep on going. Then
they were shooting at us and we were, we had others, pinned down don't move already. Because it was
almost suicide. Then I think it doesn't make any sense to go (inaudible). They were just watching us
from the top. So we were pinned down. They said don't move so we had orders to don't move so we
were pinned down. Lying down still. [22:00] But it so happened the Germans cut all the trees over there
so we would be exposed, huh? Nothing to conceal us. Well I thought the only way I can protect myself
not just lie down. I saw this tree stump about this high. But the Germans, the Germans they're smart
people. You can tell they’re smart. You have to give them some you know credit for being so smart.
You know Germans you heard about Germans they're smart people too you know. Well the part there
they weren't too smart I think. What's what I think. You know why? They didn't cut this thing way
down. The stump. They cut about this high. So what I did I was told don't move so what I did I went to
the stump, I hide my head on the tree stump. (Put hands over head) I had my body exposed. Well if you
get shoot in your body you get chance to recover you know. But on your head that's all, you're finished.
So I thought I was ???sit??? my head and myself by the tree trunk.
Well it didn't take too long I think the Germans spotted me. The sniper spotted me and hit me in my back.
So I was wounded. I was lying there all day. I think about 5 o'clock in the afternoon. It was already 5
o'clock just (inaudible) down. Then one of the medic people came by and he picked me up. Of course
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�you could kind of walk around because it was getting dark already so he took me back to they called it the
Field Hospital. They had a small, temporary hospital for wounded people so they took me over there.
And you know when I first went there, I was really shocked to see Major Johnson our commander dead.
They usually when they do that they put a tag over here (Points to chest) with your name on it. And I
looked [24:00] Major Johnson, he was dead. How he was killed I don't know. And that morning he was
telling us to "come on boys, come on boys." And that afternoon, he was dead already. He was a Kauai
boy. Major Johnson. Jack Johnson. He was a football playing for Hawaii. So you know I---you feel bad
about it. And from there I was sent to the hospital. I stayed in the hospital I think about over a month.
Yeah almost two months.
INTERVIEWER:
You said you were lying there for all day. How, how long were you lying there?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you you evaded there in the morning about 5 or 6 o'clock, about 6 o'clock I think or 7 o'clock.
I stay there are all day. I had no choice. They told us don't move. That was orders we had. It was a free
shoot if you move. Then I know a boy from the Big Island a place called ???(Hawaiian city)??? and I
knew his name Jack Takata. I cannot forget that because we were from the same island, yeah. I think
there was a barn house you know they had a barn over there. They had a barn. He thought himself he
could hide behind the barn to be more safe. But they told us don't move but he thought he could stand up
and run there and hide behind that barn be more safe but it was that was a big mistake. When he stood up
to run they mowed him down. And I saw that and I felt real bad. Luck some of the boys didn't see that
but I happened to be nearby so I saw that.
And then when I went back home I couldn't tell the family about it you know. It is hard to tell this story
to the family how he died yeah. So I didn't tell them. I didn’t tell them. So, you know just say that he
was killed that's all. You know you don't want to hear how that actually happened, yeah. But if you tell
them he was killed that's it right there. How he happened, the family don't know it [26:00] it was one of
those things. So that’s how it was in Casino over there. Casino was a pretty big fight over there. I don't
know if you read about it or hear about Casino but that was it. They had some force---they had some
other troops in different area but ours was on the area that.
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NISHIMURA:
This is something I want to tell you but I don’t know if you want to hear.
INTERVIEWER:
No, go ahead, go ahead.
NISHIMURA:
Well I want to tell you something when I was in the hospital. Is this thing on already?
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah.
NISHIMURA:
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�I was in a place called Caserta. I think it was Caserta. I cannot remember which was a pretty good
hospital over there. A civilian hospital but during the war I think the Army took over so we went in there.
And during the time somehow you heard of Mont Vesuvius in Italy? It happened to erupt. Oh we had a
wonderful view from the hospital to see that thing spouting up. So in a way I was happy that I could see
the nice volcano erupting you know the volcano, it was really nice. So my stay in the hospital was pretty
good because I something to see. And then of course the civilian people would come around and talk nice
to us. They wanted to cheer us up I think. But they came around and talked to us and I tell you, the nurses
were nice to us (laughs). And we had some pretty good nurses there. We got pretty friendly with them.
And they took us, they took good care of us. So we had no problem about staying in the hospital. That we
had a nice warm meal. Not like staying in the frontline. Nice warm meal all the time. So the stay in the
hospital was pretty good. I wouldn't say it wasn't prefect or 100% but good enough for us GI's. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
Let me go back to when you were wounded, you said that you were sitting there all day what what were
you thinking about when you were.
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you when I was thinking how long should I stay here like this wounded and what if I bleed to
death. It came to my mind. But I think I was fortunate it didn't bleed too much after I was shot, you know.
But when I was shot I couldn't feel it. Funny thing you don't feel it [02:00] you know. That thing my back
came numb because of the bullet wounded. Maybe because it became numb. I don't know what caused the
numbness. I was touching over here. I could feel it but it was kind of numb. Maybe it hit the nerves or
something, yeah? So but I have to stay there anyway. I couldn't move. I sent they sent me back to the
Field Hospital and described to me you got to take off your jacket. I think we have to check up and give
you a temporary fix up there. I took off my jacket. I was surprised my jacket was ripped right through.
You know there was a bullet rip all the jacket and my body. Just like a knife cut my jacket. I was
surprised how the thing could cut the jacket. And I fold it and took my jacket, they patched me up.
Stopped me from bleeding, huh. But I didn't pass out you know. I didn't pass out. Even though I bleed a
lot but I didn't pass out. And so right there they patch me up and they send me to the regular general
hospital. So I went there check up and took me to the operating room right away to patch me up or
something. Patch me up they gave me all kind of stuff pass out. After I got out there they sent me to the
bed. I was in the hospital and the doctor came to talk to me. He said you know soldier how are you
feeling? I said well I guess I'm all right. I'm talking to you. He laughed. I was going to tell you something
but don't don't be scared now. Don't be scared. If that thing went half inch more below it hit my spine
bone then I would be paralyzed. He said you were lucky, it didn't go to deep. ​ ​ I was relieved. I said by
godly just a little bit low I would be paralyzed. You know he did spinal I would be paralyzed. So that’s
what he told me. He told me that because I was on the safe side already. If it was bad he wouldn't tell me
that, no. [04:00] But he knew that I was going to recover. It didn't affect my spinal cord. He said when
you have chance you won't be paralyzed. you can have a natural life. So it made me happy. That's what
the doctor told me.
INTERVIEWER:
So did it have---did your injury effect you right afterwards? Could you walk around?
NISHIMURA:
I could walk around. I was advised to walk around. Don't just lie down in the bed. Walk around to sort of
maybe exercise the body and sort of getting to numb and too stiff, huh? Got to make them flexible. So he
told me to walk around so I use to walk around the whole hospital. Walk around the hospital grounds.
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�And there was some shops over there we use to go to the shops and they had a lot of things there. And
then several times they told us well you know it boring to stay in the hospital all of the time. It’s boring
so they supplied us with some transportation to visit in town and look around which was good, you know.
Something like an excursion. So we use to walk around and what was the place, look for fruits and things
like that. I didn't get to eat any kind of food but I use to like the fruits. They had you, you heard about
persimmons. Yeah they had a lot of persimmons in Italy. You know the Italians use to call it kaki too. But
you know I told them they were both kaki. The Japanese words kaki, huh. I don't know if you heard about
it the word kaki, persimmons. It's a word the Happanese. We heard it from the Happanese. Japanese.
Happanese called them kaki so they called it kaki too. So they called that kaki. So that's all they eaten. We
enjoyed eating the kaki and then they had a lot of [06:00] Japanese chestnuts kuri. You know kuri,
chestnut. Oh that was good. They had a lot of them. Chestnut trees. So we use to enjoy a lot of fruits over
there. And they had other fruits too. Lot of other fruits.
And then while we were in Italy right I forgot to tell you about that I don't know if I should tell you this
but then. When you are in Italy they understand we have a break. They don't know after you stay in the
front, you come back and give you a break to wash up and things like that. Well we stand in a camp over
there, and there was a lot of onions The Italians were noted for planting onions. You know the ones with
the bulb on it. They call it ???Chip bola, chip bola??? They use to harvest that and pile it all in one place.
So we knew about it. And we had this thing called c-rations and k-rations that we could cook with that
vegetables. So we use to go steam some onions. We use to go on the jeep and trailer. Full it up with that
onion. Bring it back and to the boys. (Laughs) So we had fresh onions all the time. And the Italians didn't
mind. They just help us out.
INTERVIEWER:
After, after you got out of the hospital, what happened?
NISHIMURA:
After I got from hospital, I was sent to a place called Anzio. That was further North, in the North. I stayed
at Anzio for awhile. That, that I was really unfortunate. The wound started bothering me again. After the
doctor released me and join our troops over there, combat troops. Went to Anzio and it start bothering me
so I report to them about my wounds bothering me. So they had a field hospital, temporary hospital with
tents, eh. [08:00]. And you know they had you know those Army cots, temporary cot so you can fold it.
Instead of having it on the ground like this, they dug a hole the size of a combat on the cot so you can sit
down. Sleep on ground level. I thought that was a funny way of sleeping on the bunk. But they had their
reason for that. You know the Germans were concentrating on the three hospitals. They're not suppose to
bomb the hospital but this is sometimes by mistake or on purpose we don’t---they bomb the hospital
which is not right. Because by law you cannot bomb the hospital with people in there in the hospital. Even
if they didn't mean it sometimes they might for sure . To make sure they did that. So then the bomb drop
down the shrapnel go this way (Spread arms outward) It don't go this way (Arms moving inward). It goes
out this way (Arm going outward). I don't know why is that. So if you are high on the cot, the shrapnel
will hit you. They say if you are down ground level, it don't hit you. So this is why instead of ground
level, I was almost eating dirt, ground level. That's how it was. So those are the experiences we went
through. And I stayed there for about 2 weeks. After I got well they send me to the frontline again with
the boys, huh. Then it didn't take long the 442 boys came inside. The full troops came from the Mainland
to join us. They were regiment, huh. So I think the 100th joined them and called them a regiment now. So
the 100th joined them. So there was the 100th with only a few boys left. So they figure maybe they join
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�INTERVIEWER:
Where were you when the Four, Four, Second ah 442 came?
NISHIMURA:
Where what?
INTERVIEWER:
Where were you, were you with the 100th when the 442 came?
NISHIMURA:
Yeah. I joined the 100th [10:00] I was feeling pretty good. They released me and I joined the brigaded to
join them in the frontline. Then for some reason they found out I wasn't capable to enough for the
frontline because this knee was bothering me. I told them about it. It still bothered me so they checked me
up again and they said, "No, we're going to send you home." Well I was happy in a way too but I don't
know I don’t mind going to the front. you know. I told them that. "No that's orders, we're sending you
home." So they sent me back, the assembly area where all the boys were suppose to be sent home. All
there were plenty of them going home. They me over there and then they just don't take you all at one
time. They go by alphabet. A, B, C, they came as far as M. I'm N now huh. They came to M and stopped
over there. The A-M all going first. I was so disappointed that I had to wait another two weeks. Mine is N
huh. So I waited another two week and then I had a chance to come home. (Laughs) So that is the last
time that I left Italy.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you get a chance to say good-bye to anyone?
NISHIMURA:
What?
INTERVIEWER:
Did you get a chance to say good-bye to your buddies before you. . .
NISHIMURA:
No. All I knew was the boys that area. Well, you know, they ordered me to go home already which is an
honor over there. Even if I wanted to go to the front, they won't let you go so I said "Okay." I accepted it.
So this is how I left.
INTERVIEWER:
What don't you tell us about ah about the company you were in.
NISHIMURA:
What
INTERVIEWER:
The Company
NISHIMURA:

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�About the F Company. Talk about that. Oh I think I like it because there were a lot of boys I knew from
back home too. And of course we had boys from different Islands. All Island boys so [12:00] somehow
we get together. I was in the 3rd Platoon. We had four platoons and I was in the 3rd Platoon. So I didn't
know much from boys from 1st and 2nd platoon. But the 3rd Platoon I knew most of them. We worked
together and the 4th platoon was known for Kauai boys. So I get to know them too. Somehow you
together you, you either talk stories, huh. So that's how it was.
INTERVIEWER:
Is there any one of them stand out? Do you remember any one of them?
NISHIMURA:
You mean?
INTERVIEWER:
Any of the guys in the F Company that you
NISHIMURA:
If I know them?
INTERVIEWER:
Was there any one in F Company that stands out? You know that you remember he did something or
NISHIMURA:
No. Like what you mean?
INTERVIEWER:
Nothing I was just wondering if there was anybody. But was there any one from F Company going home
with you?
NISHIMURA:
Oh no. It just happened I think I was the only one from the Company as far as I knew. But when we
landed in that was in Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia I met some people that I know. But not from our
Company.
INTERVIEWER:
But before you said you had to wait for two weeks. What did you do during the two weeks?
NISHIMURA:
Where in?
INTERVIEWER:
You said you had to wait two weeks before you got shipped home.
NISHIMURA:
Oh you mean from Italy? Well I tell you we concentrate over there none of the boys were over there. And
they didn't let us just lie down on the floor. They gave us jobs. Oh you guys aren't just going to lie down
and take it easy. So they give me a job to the Post Office to sort the mail. I don't know anything about this
mail business. Well you are going to learn. So I went to the Post Office and I sorted the mail by alphabet,
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�huh. All the A's in one place, [14:00] B's one place so it was easy job. I did that and after two weeks they
say "well, you're going home." Well it was all right. I mean not bad. And then I get to meet friends over
there at that base. They were hundreds of guys in there waiting to go home. But they don't let you just lie
down. You have to do something. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
What, what did you guys talk about when, you know, you guys were waiting for two weeks. Did you guys
talk with each other?
NISHIMURA:
Well we do talk because we in working area together. And then we come back to the tent, then we had a
bull session of our own. Talk stories and then go to PX and buy some stuff and talk stories. Things like
that. Do it all the time. Just wait. Just wait we had no choice. Just wait, huh. But it was all right waiting
because we were wondering when we were going to be shipped out. I we had to wait, huh. And then a few
were going to town. If you go to town, if went in town you might maybe get lost and won't come back.
(Laughs) Before I forget. When you went to some of the Italian homes, some of the Italian people were
really nice to us, you know. Because, why they were nice to us because we didn't get them any trouble for
them. Only the country was our enemies. But people by people we were enemies, we were nice, friends,
huh? Why should be hate them? You know, they were innocent people during the war. There's innocent
people. So we get to know them. They invite us to their homes. Nice of them. And you know what, their
famous food, spaghetti. Oh I ate a lot of spaghetti. And the friendly drink is the wine. They drink a lot of
wine. [16:00] Well that’s why I talk to the Italian people. We did come to us without speaking because we
didn’t know their language but there was some hand motion and little bit. They told us before the
Germans were there, German was there they were protecting Italy the German soldier were protecting
them. But they were chased out. So the German knew the allies we coming into town to change their
minds. So when they were chased out before they go now this is what they were telling us, so that we
don't drink the Italian wine they use to shoot the bottle, crack them open so that there’s no wine left for
us. That's what they are telling us. We say how did you save some of this wine? They said since this was
happening we use to bury it in the ground. They know about burying the wine in the ground. So the
Germans don't know about it. So when we came in they bring out and feed us the wine. You see how nice
they were. So even though they were our enemies, well a town like this in the place more like this We
forgot about enemies we were just friends, you know. They were, they were nice to us. Italian people so
we learned some Italian words. In fact, they give us a dictionary. I'll probably be tell you Italian words.
So I don't know if you heard the word Pizano, pizano. You heard the word pizano? Well that's a famous
word we use. I mean every Italian we meet Pizano, Pizano. They were happy about it. So out here back in
Hawaii, when I call my friends on the phone, I say "Hey, pizano how are you?" He's one of the GI's I talk.
So that word pizano is always in our heads.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you learn any other Italian?
NISHIMURA:
Huh?
INTERVIEWER:
Did you learn any other Italian language?
NISHIMURA:
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�Well I learned some of things, of course. You know, like any country where you go you know the bad
ones first. (laughs) [18;00] but of course we never used that. But we learned pretty good words. Bon
jorno, bon jorno mean "good day" "good morning" things like that. So we learned some of that.
INTERVIEWER:
So okay after you left Italy hmm, what was the trip home like on the ship?
NISHIMURA:
Well I tell you, I'm a poor sailor. I never went to the mess hall. I couldn't reach the mess hall. I was so
sick. So my friends use to bring the meal to me on the deck now. They didn't allow us to stay under the
deck. You know why, huh? The allies might bombed the ship. And we all go down together. If you stay
on the deck, you have a chance with the life saver at least. So every place we go we had our life saver.
You have to have a life saver with you. So everybody, every GI guy on the boat had a life saver. So we
case you get bombed we'd still be floating around. I was a sick man. I could not take a boat ride. So my
friend use to bring a sandwich or apple, or something to eat. And you know they only give you food twice
a day. Not because they didn't want to feed you they had so much troops over there. By the time you went
to the ???brunch??? and by the time you finish your ???brunch??? it might be 9:30 or 10 o'clock. There
were so much people on the boat. Then dinner time come almost 5 o'clock. So we had to get ready now.
That's how it was. Well we cannot help for some reason. The boat was not big enough for all that. I think
liberty ship I think. Something like that.
We landed in Norfolk, Virginia.
INTERVIEWER:
What was it like finally coming home to America?
NISHIMURA:
Oh I feel happy that we are home in America [20:00] and then food was good too. Camp called St. Patrick
in Virginia. We stayed there for about one day to get our things and get organized and then from there
they send me all the way to Fort Ord in San Francisco. A Camp called Fort Ord. I don't know if you heard
about it Fort Ord Camp. You heard about that? Fort---we stayed there. We stayed there about about 2
weeks I think. To get organized, to get ready and in the meantime they had some infection over there in
Monterey. I don't know if you know about it. You hear about Monterey, a small town Monterey. .Well
they were looking for some workers to work in this Army factory. They couldn’t get workers--- civilian
workers. So they asked us to work over there. I said, "no, no guys (inaudible) so we stayed there about 2
day. Well you boys go back home to Hawaii. It’s good news. But we didn't sail from San Francisco. They
sent us all the way up to Seattle. They call that POE, Port of Engagement. I don't know why they didn't
send us from San Francisco. There's a nice boat over there. They sent us over to Washington, Fort
(inaudible) We stayed there for four weeks and then they shipped us back to Hawaii from there.
INTERVIEWER:
When you found out you were going to be shipped---ah going home, did you write a letter to your folks?
NISHIMURA:
No I didn't get a chance to write. We didn't get a chance to write. When we reach Fort Ord so when I start
writing to them. Then they knew we were safe back home. But in the meantime, the Army will let the
parents know about my wound. They let them know, you know. As by law or something. They let our
families know [22:00] that certain GI were wounded. So they sent home the notice to them. And of
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�course, for this my mother was telling me the story afterwards I wish (inaudible) they how badly you were
wounded. They didn't tell how bad I was wounded. So they didn't know how bad I was and I don't blame
them you know. They didn't describe that. I was wounded. Then I tell them how I am feeling okay. They
were satisfied. Then we came home and then they gave us leave to go home to see our parents. (Inaudible)
Stayed I think I stayed about a week. And then I came back to work over there. They assigned me to Fort
Shafter. That's right I might my wife. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
When you first came home and saw your parents, what was that like?
NISHIMURA:
Well, well I tell you it was touching, you know. When I saw them I was real happy that they looked
healthy. That was my main concern they would happy and they cried. I had tears in my eyes too and
(shakes his head and covers his eyes) Even now I have tears thinking about it. I was really happy. I
couldn't even talk to them. You know after all they think I never come back. So really we couldn't talk. I
couldn't talk. I, I mean I cried. They couldn’t talk. I couldn't talk. But this thing happens to anybody.
Being away so long. And see the pictures, movies about this thing these other people happy when they get
together. It really happened to me. I was really touch and you know what made me happy is when I
reached home somehow the news got around [24:00] they came to my house. You know, I cried.
(inaudible) I was really touched. I was really touched. Because I guess they were thinking about us. They
were happy that we came home. So I was very touched and happy. Of course that was for that moment.
And then after we stopped talking and laughing this and that but that moment, you let it out. You let it
out. Forget what you went through and it so happy you don't even think what you are trying to say you
know. I was that happy. Then my friends came around, I don't know how the news came around but they
all came to the house and talk to me. Visit me. So it was that good you know ending over there. Then I
stayed awhile and then back to Oahu to concentrate on my job---assignment in Oahu at Fort Shafter.
INTERVIEWER:
What kind of stuff did you talk about with your family and friends?
NISHIMURA:
Oh to my friends? Well, you know, if I would say a lot of things what happened to me the frontline. I
thought maybe it's not right I tell everything. I didn't want to tell my war experience to them. they wish to
hear but I held back. If I should talk a little bit they think oh this guy is trying to boast. Talk big about
what he went through. Because some of these guys didn't go. For health reason they did go. They weren't
drafted. Then if I should talk big what happened to me it's like I am bragging so I didn't say much. They
asked me question, I just said yes and this and that. But I didn't talk much about war. I want to forget
about it. I want to forget what happened to me over there. I just kept it to myself. I said well I'm glad I'm
home you know things like that. I didn't expose too much. I didn't want to expose too much. And I think I
[26:00] did the right thing. Maybe some boys might expose themselves but I didn't want because I all I
did was I told them I served my country. That's all. That's how it was so. I guess they understood. Then
after I was discharged they asked me a lot of questions how it was and I told them a story about it but I
did not go into details. They didn't want to hear it's not a pleasant story too anyways. (Laughs) So that's
how it was and I came back to Fort Shafter and I stayed there about one year. Then at that time, just about
that time the news came out Japan surrendered. I think, I think you were old enough to hear about that.
They surrendered. So two days after they discharged me. Two day after they discharged me. They said
well you can go home now. We don't want you. (Laughs) So I was happy I might go home. And some of
my friends told me why did you stay in Honolulu to work. I said you know I have parents. Yeah. And
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�they're getting old so as being the oldest boy, I think I have the obligation to take care of them. So I said
no, no matter what regardless of I'm going home. So I can home. I think that was the best thing I did.
Take care of them. Then I think they were happy because if I left them and stayed in Honolulu, I felt it
was not right to leave them alone. During the war time they went through a lot of worries and all those
things, yeah. I think they couldn't sleep well. They couldn't concentrate well thinking about me, you
know. [28:00] And in my heart I know they were thinking about me but I cannot feel that. They can feel it
so I thought why should I keep away after I was released so I came home trying to help them out. So I
came home. I worked for the plantation and during that time when I was in the service, at Fort Chestnut, I
met my wife.
BEGINNING OF TAPE FIVE
NISHIMURA:
Make you laugh and things like that. What is life we have a lot of characters. That's that's natural. And
then it so happened that maybe some of those characters (inaudible) (Laughs). So we get---last week we
got together at Bumble Bee in Honolulu. Why because every year for the last how many years, our F
Company, we have an organization, F Company and we meet on different Islands every year. For you
know together and the reu--I mean reunion. They gotta have a reunion maybe come over here. And then
each Island be the host and then they take care of us. So we have that for the last 3 or 4 years now. So
last week just for the hell of it the F boys from Honolulu got together and we had a luncheon. And we
talk stories and we talk friends and of course we hadn't see them for so long and some of them had more
gray hairs. Some of them have more few wrinkles here and there but that's all right. We knew them. Talk
stories and we had a good together and they singing, story telling and this and that.
INTERVIEWER:
And one more question sorry. Is that okay?
NISHIMURA:
And that was on the tape, yeah.
INTERVIEWER:
Can you tell David (inaudible) What's the famous F Company story.
NISHIMURA:
What the famous F Company story?
INTERVIEWER:
Every year when you get together
NISHIMURA:
Yeah
INTERVIEWER:
Okay. Oh remember this guy and he did that and blab, blab, blab.
NISHIMURA:
Yeah one. Those things come up. That’s a natural thing.
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�INTERVIEWER:
Do you have one?
NISHIMURA:
By golly you looking young. You’re not gonna age one day. And things like that. How come you’re
using a cane now? You never used a cane before. What happened to your ears? You cannot hear well.
What happened to you and [02:00] things like that. And that guy not drinking beer more. And Mas says,
“How come you cutting down on your beers?” Oh well, doctor’s orders and things like that. You know
when you get old, you can find out kind of things that they they don’t doing that they were doing. Has
been, it has been and all that. Things like that of course a lot of stories come out and then we shoot the
bull and things like that.
And the wives get together and talk about recipes and grandchildren and things like that. The mans don’t
talk about it. The wives all talk about the recipes, your hair, your grandchildren. Things like that you
know to exchange stories. I don’t know maybe it happens to every, every Company. Every people that
get together when you don’t see them for a long time.
INTERVIEWER:
Did you guys have a motto, an F Company motto or nickname?
NISHIMURA:
What’s that?
INTERVIEWER:
Does F Company have any motto or nickname or something like that?
NISHIMURA:
Well, I don’t recall ourselves “Foxes” all the time. So F Company we call ourselves “Foxes” I think you
heard about it. “Able” A Company called “Able.” Yeah. You heard about those things? B Company
called “Bakers” and C is “Charlie”, D is “Dog ”, E is “Easy” and F is “Foxes” That’s that’s all I know.
INTERVIEWER:
When you get together with your buddies from F Company, they have a story that they always talk about
about you that you get embarrassed?
NISHIMURA:
Well, it comes up you know and of course that gives you a laugh, right. And then I usually tell a story so
they always tell me to tell a story so stay in front and tell stories. (Inaudible) and get some laughs. Well
it was good concentration last week. Of course, you don’t have the people that use to come all the time.
They pass away and some can’t make it so. There was a guy [04:00] two weeks before we had this
meeting, he had a bypass but I told him about it. We are having a meeting wish you can make it. You
can come. But I told him if you think your health come first, don’t come, stay home, take a rest. I was
talking to his son. He said well I think my father should stay home. Yeah do that. We all have a chance
to meet again. So he stayed home. He didn’t come. Of course he wanted to come. He was telling me on
the phone. You know I don’t see my friends for a long time. I would like to see them. This is my wish.
I would like to see them. But I told him in your health and in your condition, please stay home for awhile.
We can always meet again. So he said, “Okay I’ll stay home”. His mind was to come but I said well for
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�your health reasons, don’t come. I told him. Not that I really don’t want you, we think about you, so he
said I’ll stay home. So he stayed home. Next time we can meet again. This is not the last one. So this
meeting (inaudible) some kind of agreement to make some kind of date to meet next year. Sometime in
June, you know, next year. So this is what it is all about.
INTERVIEWER:
Can you tell us one of the stories that that you tell when you get together with your buddies?
NISHIMURA:
Huh?
INTERVIEWER:
Can you tell us one of the stories that when you get together with your buddies and
NISHIMURA:
You like to hear? Well I was suppose to talk stories last time but somehow they missed my name. You
were there last night. Well I was suppose to go up but this guy took my name down but then I found out
this guy went home or out some place and so they didn’t get my record.
Well there was a guy so frustrated Don Howdin. He came to the bar over there and placed his glass over
there. Filled it up. Feeling so sad. It was just about to drink that [06:00] here comes the truck driver after
a long trip driving that truck. He got his cup and drank it up. And then he turned around and he said why
did you do that for? He said that’s all right pal. I was only joking. I’ll buy you another round. So he
bought him another round. And the truck driver asked him by the way you looking so down, what
happened to you anyway. People just get so down hearted. You look so sad. Something must be wrong.
Well I’ll tell you. First, I came to work this morning a little bit late and they fired me. Second, I came
out to drive home and somebody stole my car. I had no choice so I walked home. I walk home to found
my wife walked away with another man. Oh that made it worse so what is life? I came here. I was just
about to drink that and you drink my drink. And you know what you drank, you drank my poison.
(Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
(Laughs) Oh. So are you the jokester among your buddies?
NISHIMURA:
Yeah. So every time we can get together, they always say how about some short stories so. Well you
know everybody has a hobby, no. But in my way when I get the Reader’s Digest, the first thing I look for
is the joke part. That’s call, “The Laughter”. I always read that. I like jokes. So it is fun that I tell them
jokes. They expect stories from me so I cannot get away. (Laughs) If you want to hear one more, I can
tell you. But that’s all right, you have some other things so I’ll won’t tell you.
INTERVIEWER:
Well no, why don’t you---you have one you want to tell us, go ahead.
NISHIMURA:
Huh?
INTERVIEWER:
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�Another one [08:00]
NISHIMURA:
Well, you remember those days way back. Are you running your tape?
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah.
NISHIMURA:
Oh you remember way back in the ‘30’s and ‘40’s and driving the car, you made your hand sign with
your hand. You remember that? I don’t know. Maybe you were too young. But now they have that
light, the blinker. But way back if you made a right turn you put your hand up. Like that okay. (Puts arm
up towards the ceiling) You making a right turn. So the guys behind you can see you. Then if you are
making a left turn you do this (Arm pointing to the side) That’s hand sign. They didn’t have a blinker.
Okay. And when you stop you put your hand down when you gonna stop. So you stop. Okay there was
a group of Filipino man going to a cock fight. You know a cock fight is a chicken fight. This guy driving
through town, all of a sudden he came to an intersection, he made the hand sign. He did this (put arm up
in the air) That’s right turn. There was a policeman standing over there. He was watching him. All of a
sudden he did this. (Moved arm down and forth) The policeman saw that. I never seen that sign before.
And he did this way (move arm outward) That was left turn. And then the policeman blew his whistle.
Stop him. He said taking the Filipino word. ???palone. palone??? is mister in Filipino. You made a
funny kind of hand sign. You did this (arm upward) and then you did this (arm moved sideways) You
know in law book we don’t have such sign as this. This Filipino man told the officer, Mr. Officer he was
talking Filipino, Officer do you have a pencil with you? Yes I have pencil with you. May I borrow your
pencil? He borrowed the pencil. Do you remember there’s this erase there? Yes. This erasure is to
erase. [10:00] But this is the same thing, I do this. I erase the signal. I made a different signal. Okay, I
excuse you.
INTERVIEWER:
(Laughs)
NISHIMURA:
And this happened in our home town. The policeman telling us the story.
INTERVIEWER:
That’s a true story?
NISHIMURA:
Yeah it’s a true story. He said he erased. Well everybody laughed from that. And it’s a true story. You
remember the old hand sign. You remember the old hand sign, yeah?
Off camera:
That’s funny.
INTERVIEWER:
Let me ah let’s we can seat here and talk joke all day but let’s we should ask you in the last tape you were
about to tell us about when you met your wife.

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�NISHIMURA:
Oh you want---is it all right to talk about that? Okay well, it’s nothing secret anyways. (Inaudible) wants
to get married. Well I was in Fort Chaste, well they assigned me to Fort Chaste and I took take part
Japanese because I went to Japanese school and my parents taught Japanese so naturally I began to learn
Japanese which was good for me. They talked to me in Japanese but they couldn’t talk English. So I get
to learn to talk Japanese which I’m happy I could talk to you in Japanese. So when some of the Japan
tourists come into town in Honolulu, when they see me they know I’m Japanese so they talk to me. So I
talk to them in Japanese. They’re happy about it and I tell them what is what, you know.
But anyways talking about this Japanese I had about a dozen Korean prisoners. You know they had some
Korean prisoners. They captured in the Korean War. They brought them to Hawaii as prisoners. And
since I could talk Japanese they wanted for me to talk care of them. You know these Korean prisoners
they’re they’re sneaky guys. They didn’t want to talk Japanese in front of me. They all talked Korean.
[12:00] If they talked Japanese I can understand and they knew I knew Japanese so they talked all
Koreans. So I didn’t know what they were talkin’ maybe they were talking bad about me or talk bad
about me. But anyways I didn’t bother me. But one day I heard them talking Japanese. They didn’t
hear---they didn’t see me. I heard them talking Japanese. So I approached them . So you know I heard
you talking Japanese. I know you can speak Japanese because I heard the Koreans was talking Japan
Army for awhile. The Korean were some Japan ???jurisdiction???. So they learned Japanese and they
were pretty good. They speak fluently Japanese. In fact they could speak better than me. So they told
me to take care of them. So I took care of them. That was okay.
Then during lunch hour, you know when you are young you want to go here and there so we use to go to
the PX. The PX was only about 5 minute walk. Lunch was one hour so we use to go to the PX, look
around and when you’re young you want to look for girls, yeah? So that’s where I met my wife. I didn’t
know who she was. She didn’t know who I was but we just talk casual. This and that. And we see each
other quite awhile and then one day she told me, “How about come to the house?” To her home in
Honolulu so now and then I use to go. That’s how we became friendly and we became pretty close, huh.
So I told her in case you get married you have to come to our country. Where I live in a country, huh.
She don’t mind. Oh I felt better she said she don’t country. She doesn’t mind coming to the country.
You can find people coming to the country from city. She said she would come down. Okay. So we got
married and she came to live with me back in Hawaii and then luckily she had a job in the plantation, in
the office. So she worked in the office. And of course I worked outside [14:00] in the factory. Then we
had the child, one girl. That’s how it was and then I stayed up there quite long until 1995 and my
daughter told us why don’t we come to Honolulu and stay close to them so they could take care of us.
Our age, huh.
You know I don’t know how you feel about but after you stay in one place for so long you have a lot of
friends, you don’t want to miss them, you know. That’s a treasure for us. Old friends are your treasurer.
You cannot find them anymore. You can’t make old friends again. So I told her twice let me think it
over. And my wife said (inaudible) in Honolulu, your sisters all in Honolulu so she didn’t mind going
back. So I said okay. Let’s go. Let’s move to Honolulu. So we moved to Honolulu. That’s how we
started. So we in Honolulu now. We stay next to my daughter. We joined the house together, no. Of
course they cook their own, we cook our own. We sleep our own. We cannot eat together with them but
they eat different food and they eat late so we eat ourselves. For now and then our family get together.
Things like that. That’s how, that’s how it is so just now I’m a Honolulu boy. So I miss my friends. I
treasurer them so now and then I go back to Hawaii and visit them.

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�And you know the Japanese custom they have obon dance. You know about obon dance? Well they have
it at our Church where I was going. So I go there to put flowers on my parent’s grave and then same time
I meet my friends. I like to put leis on my parents, you know. Put there so I go there. Stay there one or
two days. Meet my friends, I come home.
INTERVIEWER:
Do you ever talk to your wife or daughter about your war experience?
NISHIMURA:
Well I don’t really talk to them but sometime they question me about what happened, what you went
through. [16:00] I guess to them it is something interesting, something different to them When we
talking to them there true life experience is not what you read in the book. To (inaudible) and so it is
interesting for them what we went through. Of course we don’t make up the stories it’s what we went
through. But some people just make up stories for the fun. Actually what we went through we tell them.
But I don’t go into too much details because I don’t think it is too pleasant to hear some of the things we
did. So I just let them what happened and how we fought and things like that. And my grandchildren ask
me sometime but (shakes his head no) I never tell them details. It’s---I don’t think it is right. You know
it’s sometimes the story get too touchy, huh. So I don’t go into details. But I show them the pictures that
I took when I was in the uniform. In those days, it was a funny uniform. I show them some medals that I
got. Purple heart and things like that.
INTERVIEWER:
One of the battles you got ah was a good conduct medal.
NISHIMURA:
Yeah I don’t know how I got that but I got it. I don’t know if I was a good boy or what. (Laughs) But
several of the boys got it. Not only me, you know. But I’m just got that. Knowing you go to the firing
range, you shot the target, huh. Then I got a medal for shooting too. Not a perfect one but good enough
to get a small medal.
INTERVIEWER:
I want to ask you a question, your---you said your father was from Hiroshima?
NISHIMURA:
Hiroshima, uh huh.
INTERVIEWER:
Did he have a reaction to what happened there? Did he have relatives there?
NISHIMURA:
You mean in Hiroshima? You know I tell you what after the war started we didn’t get no what you call it
communication [18:00] because I think it came to the point that maybe they couldn’t even mail out. I
know that’s what we think. We lost control we didn’t hear from them you know. Then after the war,
everything was settled along, then my father use to call his parents. But at the time, some of the relative
passed away. Then they had the younger ones that came out. The younger ones they don’t know much
about the older people so somehow the communication got lost, you know. So from that point we never
communicated much which is a sad thing. My father went back Japan about twice to see his parents and
to see his relatives, brothers and sisters. So that was the only time there’re in Japan to see them and that
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�was also the last of them. Father had only communicate (inaudible). After the war, we can almost say it
was forgotten which is a sad thing. But you know Hiroshima is the place where they bombed. And some
of them was affected in a way but we don’t know how bad. So from that moment we lost communication
which is a sad thing but it can’t be helped because of the war.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay let me ask you hmm, do you have a message that you would like to tell the Yonsei and Gosei
generations that you want to tell us some advice or something you would like to tell them?
NISHIMURA:
What generation? You mean the younger generation? Well I can say that the whole time I was in the
(inaudible) our type of generation things have been changed ???plan it???. A lot of things have been
changed. Well our days we were kind of rugged the law wasn’t too strict of mine. [20:00] We feel that
we couldn’t get much things like what you people are getting. You people are getting everything under
the sun you know for yourself. Our days we couldn’t get anything. The living was different. You have
better payment now. You live in more luxury. The (inaudible) is different but then things have changed.
Everything is getting better so it’s fortunate that you people are living in this generation. So make sure
you make every time useful for that. Useful for the time you are living now. When I was we couldn’t do
what we want. Now a lot of you is fortunate. You have all the things you want on this earth. So tell
them to stand tall, be positive, move ahead and then try to see if you can progress and do some
???satisfy??? in your life. Be happy about it and then. One thing I like to mention to you people don’t
forget your parents. Your parents is number one. So don’t forget your parents. And then you should go
to school and concentrate on your studies. Look forward, huh. Be something one day. Well I don’t
know maybe there’s more things to tell but I just don’t register so I think this is really not for them to
realize that you should be happy with what you have now compared to the old days. You see they have
cars, they can drive cars [22:00] we couldn’t drive cars. So be happy and then the main thing is don’t
forget your parents. They send you to school, and you have everything you want. And keep healthy.
Keep away from drugs which I hope they do. Don’t get involved, huh drugs. But I don’t know they’re
many things I want to say but this time all of a sudden you don’t know what to say. But some of the
things maybe good to say to them.
INTERVIEWER:
Now that you--- we coming near to the end of the your Hanashi interview, ah what do you thing about
what we are doing here in Hanashi?
NISHIMURA:
You mean (inaudible) here. Well you mentioned earlier. This is more for educational purpose, huh. as
you mentioned earlier. And I would think that when the children hear the tapes from different people that
you people interviewed they might compare that and say, “Oh this one is better”. “Oh that should have
been done that way” and things like that. And if you begin to let them think what we went through and
maybe from that maybe they can make the correction. That maybe what bad things we went through they
shouldn’t duplicate that. And then concentrate more on the people’s lives and then try to work together as
a unit. Don’t try to say you’re---“I’m the one”. No everybody is the same. Be a unit, be one. And
concentrate on that. You should work together. Pull together. Then this way maybe we will stand up and
say well this is it and then. [24:00] You know I can tell you people now that we, the second generation,
are fortunate that some of us are healthy enough, good enough to see the turn of the century. We are
coming to the turn of the century. We are fortunate. Some of us are lucky and we are able to say that we
came to a new century because 1999 will be history. And the 21st century is just about to come so we are
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�fortunate we can say that we went into the new century. So for these few words I would like to say you
people are young. Keep in touch with your parents. And stay healthy. Well maybe this is all I can say.
As a parent I would like to say these few words. I hope you accept it. So that’s it.
INTERVIEWER:
Is there any any stories that, uh, we’re almost out of tape here. Are there any stories that you remember
that you want to tell us before we finish here?
NISHIMURA:
What you mean a joke?
INTERVIEWER:
Or anything that you, you know happened during the war that you forgot to talk about or.
NISHIMURA:
In the what?
INTERVIEWER:
In the war or maybe before the war or anything you ah might be forgotten in your mind.
NISHIMURA:
Gee I don’t know. Maybe I tell you all the things but I was starting to think of the past you don’t have
them on my mind. (Laughs) You know,
INTERVIEWER:
Now that you okay now that we’re finished here, um would you recommend to another veteran to
interview with Hanashi? [26:00]
NISHIMURA:
Well then I think it depends on the individual, huh. I would recommend but maybe some individual don’t
care to be interviewed, huh. They’re not that type of people because I know some of the veterans I know
they hardly talk. They hardly come to the phone and say something or you know be outspoken or say
things they hold back their. One of the people that---well in this world we find all kind of people. But I
think maybe I talk too much. (Laughs) But anyway this is my time so I don’t know. I don’t know
whether it is good or bad but that’s my time. Every everybody has a different way of being themselves,
huh. So I don’t know if they would like to come here to be interviewed. That I cannot promise you.
Maybe, maybe they’re like me, maybe they don’t want Maybe some of them for personal reasons they
don’t want to. Some say “Okay I’ll do it.” In my case when I was asked I said, “Well, I’ll try.” This I
only tried so I don’t know if I’m doing the right thing or what but then. When you people asked me, my
wife told me, “Well go ahead and try it.” Nothing wrong so she kind of encouraged me, huh. Well I said
well, “I’ll take a chance.” I don’t know what how I can do it. I don’t know what how presenting to you
people but this is this is it now. (Laughs)
INTERVIEWER:
Well you are going to get a copy of this interview. Um do you think you would show your wife or your
daughter or your grandchildren um this interview?
NISHIMURA:
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�Well if I read that how you got me reading out how?
INTERVIEWER:
Video tape.
NISHIMURA:
Oh video tape. Well I play myself first. Then if I think it is presentable, I’ll tell my grandchildren let me
talk to you. But sometime if I think it is not too presentable, I won’t show them. (Laughs) Although
they might. If I don’t tell them about it they won’t [28:00]know. They wouldn’t know. But if I tell them
they’ll kind of we want to hear that so I’ll keep quiet for a while. So my wife and I will listen to it
ourselves first and then if my wife thinks it is presentable then we tell them okay you kids can hear this.
(Laughs) They’re all in college see. Two of them in college and is going to high school back in
(Hawaiian), Hawaii. Two of them is up here in the Mainland. One one in USC and one is in Washington.
So when they come over they can listen but depend, how how the tape is. (Laughs) Comes out.
INTERVIEWER:
Okay well Mr. Nishimura ah on behalf of Hanashi I want to say thank you for taking your time and
talking to us. I really appreciate you.
NISHIMURA:
Well I don’t know if I did a good presentation or maybe I went overboard or what but then maybe some
of the things you want to you don’t want to hear you can just cut it off the tape. You can knock it off,
huh?
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah sure.
NISHIMURA:
You think that some of the presentation is not worthwhile, cut it off. It’s all right with me. I don’t mind.

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